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bobqzzi
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« on: August 26, 2005, 02:29:40 AM »

I'm back at the dyno messing around a bit.  Boost pressures are absolute

This is a GT35/40R @3.6 bar


This is a comparison of 4 different set-ups

Top is 35/40R on C16
Next down is GT30R on C16, 3.2bar (wouldn't hold that boost above 6500)
GT30R on 100 unleaded, 2.8Bar
GT30R on 93, 1.8bar
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2005, 03:36:54 AM »

nice  beer
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 04:05:00 AM »

Hence his title  :checkit:

Bob how is the tune like for this setup if you don't mind me asking?

Are there areas you still like to improve on?
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 11:55:30 AM »

Holy High Boost, bobman!  amazing.  ahh2
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2005, 01:47:47 PM »

Peak Hp at 7600 rpm, she's got more left in her  ahhh  

Awesome work "dyno master flex"

I noticed your water temp was only 174F. Any benefit compared to 190F??
i still have this 107F t stat in my garage i'm thinking about popping it in to see what she does. Car felt great this morning its finally cooling off here in the northeast.

BTW, when are you switching to alky?
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2005, 07:01:12 PM »

ahhh awesome
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 04:56:37 AM »

what are the a/f's on the 30r dynos?
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2005, 12:52:12 AM »

Quote from: DonR
Hence his title  :checkit:

Bob how is the tune like for this setup if you don't mind me asking?

Are there areas you still like to improve on?


The runs on the 3540R were done for experimental purposes only- basically to see what was possible, and if the bottom end could take the cylinder pressure. If you look at the power curve, you can see that it wants to turn more R's.  Since I am using stock lifters, I don't want to turn it any harder.  If someone wanted to run this turbo on the street, I would go for a smaller A/R on the turbine. I considered enabling the anti-lag to see how much it would pump up the bottom end, but thought better of it.

The GT30R runs show a much more useful powerband.  I feel I completely explored the limits of that turbo- there was really nothing left in it. (although, know what we do know about the strength of the internals, we could flatten out the HP curve by upping the boost at lower r's on teh race gas map).

The tuning process was very interesting, and the learning curve was pretty steep- this is my first time tuning a stand alone.  The management itself is IMMENSELY complex- it took a while to figure out exactly what was what. Figuring out the fueling and ignition was not a big deal, it was the other interactions that took some time to understand.

I also had some hardware issues- the first sets of injectors I had acted very strangely, and caused some tail chasing.  The fabricated plenum I made also proved a weak point.  .125" aluminum is NOT thick enough! It flows well, and obviously makes good power, but needs to be made of thicker stuff, or half round tubing.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2005, 12:58:05 AM »

Good stuff Bob...Hard to think that 11 ga wall plenum wouldn't be accurate. Perhaps a 12-10 ga?...

It would also be interesting to see how my intake design would do with such testing...

What was the timing curve downlow and your requested AFR?
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2005, 01:17:40 AM »

Quote from: DonR
Good stuff Bob...Hard to think that 11 ga wall plenum wouldn't be accurate. Perhaps a 12-10 ga?...

It would also be interesting to see how my intake design would do with such testing...

What was the timing curve downlow and your requested AFR?


The management controls a UEGO sensor, and I can set the lambda target to what ever I want.  We set the map to be around 12.8 under vacuum conditions, which is safely rich, but set the closed loop lambda target to 14.7 since I'm running a Cat.  Timing is 30 degrees at lower boost and tapers to 26 degrees.  It wants more timing, but I'm chicken.
The management does have a sophisticated knock sensor set-up, but we have, so far, been unable to implement it.  I have some in cylinder pressure sensing equipment coming, and that should allow me to determine the knock frequency.

Once implemented, the knock sensing system has the option of an "active" mode- it advances the timing until it senses knock, then stops.
If I get this working, I anticpate getting quite a bit more horsepower in pump gas mode.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2005, 02:19:48 AM »

Bob sounds awsome....if you can get the knock sensing tuned as such it'll defenitely be interesting to see it's capabilities.

I like that fact you can set your requested Lamda values using the wideband. This is how I want to approach the Tec 3 setup and tune when I get the Corrado 1.8T I'm co-developing up and running.

Have yet to really explore what I can do with the Tec 3 but that should be in the works this coming fall.
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